After extensive experience with various Human-Machine Interfaces (HMIs), my top recommendations are:
1. Red Lion
2. C-More
3. Any other options that suit your needs
999. PanelView Component
If you’re seeking the best HMIs for your projects, consider these brands for their reliability and performance.
For the majority of my projects, I rely on the Maple Systems HMI5000 series due to its impressive capabilities and cost-effectiveness. Compared to Cmore options, it offers significantly better performance, and it's also considerably cheaper than the PanelView series. If you're working on similar tasks, the HMI5070TH model would be an excellent choice for your needs.
I highly recommend the Red Lion G3 series for your next project. Although I've only completed two projects with them, my experience has been positive. The software is impressive and, best of all, it comes at no cost! Like many others, I typically hesitate to use free software due to concerns about quality, but Crimson 3.0 has changed my perspective on that. In terms of pricing, the G3 series is competitive with other screens of similar size, making them a valuable option worth considering.
Thank you all for your valuable insights! After considering your feedback, I’m leaning towards the Red Lion 7-inch model (G307K2). As Ken pointed out, it shares the same hardware as Maple Systems, but the software seems to be superior, as everyone here has expressed a preference for it. Personally, I believe that Allen-Bradley (AB) PanelViews are significantly overpriced given their features, and their software costs are also on the higher side. I've always felt that HMI manufacturers should offer their software for free to enhance hardware sales, making it more convenient for users. It's reassuring to know I’m not the only one who sees the drawbacks of the PanelView — even though they seem to be ubiquitous. Thank you once again for your help!
- 25-01-2025
- psychosunshine
What truly impressed me about Red Lion is the extensive 15 to 20+ page discussion thread where their support team actively engages with users to understand our needs. It's rare to find a president of a major corporation online at midnight, seeking input from technical enthusiasts on how to enhance their products. They genuinely listen to feedback! Many of the Red Lion team members interact with us here, providing answers nearly every day, often several times a day.
If you're transitioning from traditional HMI programming software, you might find the Crimson 3 application somewhat challenging at first. However, after successfully implementing just two systems, I’m confident you'll be advocating for Red Lion as well. In the past, I was concerned about the cost of software—whether it was free or paid—but I've realized that value comes in many forms.
User jgreenewv commented: "999. PanelView Component – Click to expand... LOL! They’ve successfully secured a spot in the top 1000!"
- 25-01-2025
- geniusintraining
User Psychosunshine posted: I’m currently evaluating which Human-Machine Interface (HMI) to select for a compact machine. I’m looking for a touch panel in the range of 7 to 10 inches that can seamlessly connect to my SLC 5/03 controller. Although I prefer an HMI with Ethernet capability, I am also open to using a serial connection. I've considered upgrading to an SLC 5/05 model to gain an Ethernet port; however, my preference is to find an HMI that features both serial and Ethernet options for maximum flexibility.
Cost is not a primary concern—my main priorities are ease of programming and reliable performance. I've been researching some brands, such as Maple Systems, Automation Direct's C-More Panels, and EZAutomation.net.
Although I haven’t tested it yet, I believe the models equipped with RS485 isolated ports may connect directly to DH485 with the correct cabling. I intend to explore this with the G304K (older version). This setup would allow me to retain my SLC 5/03 controllers while utilizing the K2’s Ethernet port to monitor the machine through a PC and a web browser. The G3 model should also facilitate data transfer to other PLCs on the Ethernet network, effectively serving as a data bridge between the SLC 5/03 and the broader system.
Furthermore, it is said that you can establish online access via the G3 as a bridge using RSLogix, but this process requires the HMI to stop functioning momentarily and the installation of third-party COM port redirector software. If RSLogix access is essential, bridging to CH0 can be achieved with a Digi One IAP module, enabling both the G3 and other network devices, including your programming PC, to access each other through Ethernet.
Should you choose to upgrade later on, adjusting the communication path to the SLC 5/05 in Crimson 3.0 is a straightforward process. The G3 supports communication through various methods, including Digi, NET-eni, and serial connections with either DF1 or DH485 protocol. Although there may be a learning curve with Crimson 3.0, the high productivity gains you will experience will soon outweigh any initial challenges.
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**Title: Seeking Assistance with Importing Tags from SLC 5/03 Project**
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I am currently facing an issue while attempting to import tags from my SLC 5/03 project. After exporting the tags to a CSV file, I realize that the software fails to recognize the file during the import process. Consequently, no tag list appears.
Has anyone encountered a similar problem or have any insights on how to successfully import tags from a CSV file into the SLC 5/03 software? I would greatly appreciate any guidance or troubleshooting tips. Thank you!
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- 25-01-2025
- psychosunshine
User "psychosunshine" inquired about the process of importing tags from their SLC 5/03 project. After exporting the tags to a CSV file, they faced issues during the import process; the software seemed unresponsive and did not display a tag list. They seek assistance from the community. For more details, visit the link: [PLC Talk Thread](http://www.plctalk.net/qanda/showthread.php?t=70427&highlight=crimson+3.0+tag+import+RSLogix500).
Additionally, it's worth noting that if you edit the CSV file using Microsoft Office tools, it can corrupt the formatting by adding extra commas for any missing fields. This results in the import mechanism in Crimson 3.0 failing due to these unexpected strings of commas, often leaving users with only a brief error message on the status bar.
To resolve this issue, I used Notepad++ with the "Show All Characters" feature enabled. By opening both the original and modified files side by side with compare highlighting, I quickly identified the discrepancies. A few simple copy-and-paste actions fixed the issues in my CSV file saved from an Excel sheet.
If you do not receive a "success" dialog indicating that the tags were imported, then the process did not complete successfully. I highly recommend Notepad++ for text editing; it offers immense functionality right out of the box, akin to the power of Wireshark for network analysis.
While utilizing OpenOffice may simplify the import and save process, my ultimate workaround involved creating a dummy version of the RSS file, purged of all non-HMI elements before exporting. This pre-defined the data stream flowing in all directions, which I find indispensable for HMI communication.
Though some might argue that this defeats the purpose of importing, it is more a matter of personal style than right or wrong. By only importing the necessary elements from a streamlined RSLogix file, you may not gain significant performance benefits apart from saving storage space on your PC. However, it facilitates a smoother development process as you won't be sifting through an overwhelming list of addresses.
As you add new tags, remember to describe them, mark them as used, and leave gaps between groups (utilizing array tags on the Crimson side). If, like me, you prefer a clean and organized structure with generic tag names, this method is effective. Just ensure there is ample space for expansion, eliminating the need for future revisions.
Paul's open office approach is quite similar. Initially, it takes about 10 to 15 minutes to resolve the issues a few times. Eventually, I discovered that creating tags in C3 and exporting them streamlined the process. From there, I extract data using the .CSV file from 500, allowing me to view everything contained within the 500-file without needing to filter out any information.
As a side note, I'm still exploring the most effective method for this task. If the system operates independently, I find that direct tags are less important. However, when dealing with a large network, I focus on optimizing the data being transmitted. I've learned that some colleagues utilize integer arrays instead of bits for data packing. While it’s uncertain whether this makes a significant difference, it’s worth considering.
Paul, could you share an example of your data layout?
Please note that the hardware components for the G3 Kadet and the Maple Systems 5000 series are identical. However, the software systems for each are completely distinct.
I decided to go with the Red Lion G307 Kadet, but I'm experiencing a frustrating ghosting issue on the display. It seems to be linked to temperature changes; when the device is cold, the screen exhibits noticeable ghosting. My customer is dissatisfied with this problem, and I’m finding that Red Lion is reluctant to provide assistance. They've indicated that this issue affects all Kadet units, not just mine. Has anyone else encountered this issue or have any suggestions on how to resolve it?
- 25-01-2025
- psychosunshine
Lower-end screens often suffer from performance issues. I once owned a KEP model that experienced significant problems, pointing to an underlying manufacturing defect. The original manufacturers of these screens are responsible for the quality, while Red Lion simply integrates their operating system into these devices. You can liken this situation to purchasing a customized Ford van from an aftermarket dealer. If all Ford transmissions are slipping, it stands to reason that your van's transmission will have the same issue. So, whose responsibility is it—the aftermarket dealer or Ford?
Jeff Kiper commented: "The lower-end screens perform poorly. I previously had a KEP model that experienced significant issues due to a manufacturing defect. The original manufacturers of these screens are responsible for the problems. Red Lion merely integrates their operating system into these units. To illustrate, imagine purchasing a customized Ford van from an aftermarket dealer; if all the Ford transmissions are malfunctioning, your van's transmission will also likely fail. Is the blame on the aftermarket dealer or on Ford? Click here to learn more.
I find your analogy difficult to grasp. The screen in question was purchased from Red Lion and bears their branding. It doesn't matter who manufactured it initially; Red Lion markets it as their own product. If this is a known issue, they should take action and halt its sales."
User Statement: “I find your analogy confusing. The screen was purchased from Red Lion, and it prominently displays their brand name. The original manufacturer is irrelevant; what matters is that Red Lion is marketing it as their own product. If this is a recognized problem, they must cease distribution immediately. I completely agree with this sentiment. Regardless of our admiration for the Red Lion team and their offerings, those images depict a defective item that is still under warranty. If they are selling faulty products, they should respect their warranties. Personally, I would never accept screens in that condition. Given their reputable brand, one would expect Red Lion to take significant measures to minimize the visibility of such issues.”
I apologize for any misunderstanding. My intention was not to imply that Red Lion should refrain from taking action. Instead, they ought to accept the return and refrain from providing a Kadet as a replacement, given that the cold weather is causing issues for that particular device. It’s essential for them to back their products. In this case, the responsibility lies with Wientek for the original screen design, while Red Lion is merely acting as an intermediary.
Regarding the ghosting problems you're experiencing, I would like to know the environmental conditions surrounding your screen installation. The reason for my inquiry is that your display utilizes liquid crystal technology. This liquid crystal display (LCD) maintains its functionality only when operating within specified temperature ranges. Notably, at low temperatures, such as 32°F (0°C), the liquid crystals can turn into a solid state if these lower thresholds are exceeded while electrical signals are active. This phenomenon is not specific to any particular brand of LCD but is a common characteristic across all liquid crystal displays. LCDs are generally more resilient when not exposed to extreme cold, as evidenced by their lower storage temperature specifications. However, it is crucial to allow the unit to warm up before use; powering it on while cold can also lead to ghosting effects.
Absolutely! If you are installing the product contrary to the manufacturer's guidelines (0-45°C), it does somewhat absolve them of responsibility. These are TFT screens, which I understand is a variant of LCD technology.
The screen is located indoors within a warehouse, where the temperature remains relatively mild, ranging between 60°F and 65°F. During my visit today, I noticed that the ghosting issue was absent, indicating that it occurs intermittently. Initially, I suspected that electrical interference might be the cause, but after consulting with a representative from Red Lion tech support, it became clear that the problem is likely related to temperature fluctuations. This explanation aligns with my observations, as the environment is not harsh, and the screen isn't used with every machine cycle—it primarily serves to configure and adjust settings.
It's worth noting that the temperature in this facility will never drop to 32°F; otherwise, the employees would be uncomfortable. Recently, Red Lion customer support reached out to inform me that they are actively developing a software solution to address this issue. However, I believe the root cause is more likely a hardware concern rather than a software malfunction.
In summary, the display operates in a controlled warehouse environment where conditions are stable, yet intermittent ghosting suggests deeper underlying issues that require attention.
- 25-01-2025
- psychosunshine
User Psychosunshine shared insights about the indoor screen located in a warehouse setting. The temperature in the environment is relatively mild, ranging between 60°F and 65°F. During my visit to the site today, I noticed that ghosting issues were absent, which seems to occur intermittently. Initially, I suspected that electrical noise was the culprit; however, after discussing it with a representative from Red Lion tech support, I learned that the problem is likely related to temperature fluctuations. This explanation resonates more clearly.
The environment is not harsh, and the screen isn't in use for every machine cycle—it primarily gets activated for setup and adjustments. It’s important to note that temperatures will never reach 32°F in this location, as that would be uncomfortable for the workers.
Upon contacting Red Lion customer support, I was informed that they are actively working on a software update to address this issue. However, I personally believe this is more of a hardware than a software problem. I noticed that you haven’t mentioned the installation specifics yet. Given that the setup seems to be within their specifications, the next steps are in Red Lion's hands. While I agree with your assessment of a potential hardware issue, I wonder how often you've had to program around hardware malfunctions. They may lean towards a software solution since successfully resolving it this way would certainly be less complicated for everyone than swapping out hardware components.
I've encountered persistent ghosting issues with 2 out of the 5 different 7" Kadet displays I've utilized this year. As an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM), it's crucial to deliver fully functional machines to our customers, and a defective Human-Machine Interface (HMI) creates significant challenges. Unfortunately, Red Lion has yet to provide a resolution, merely advising me to "return it to your dealer for warranty," which means waiting three weeks for a replacement.
I’ve owned a single original Kadet for nearly four years now, and it has performed flawlessly in a challenging environment—specifically, a water treatment facility. Despite the harsh conditions, my Kadet remains responsive and precise to the touch, showing just a bit of fading around the bezel due to the atmosphere. I can’t help but wonder if Red Lion ended up with a subpar model after discontinuing the older Kadets. Here’s hoping they take the necessary steps to ensure quality and customer satisfaction moving forward.
I own several older Kadets in various machines across the globe, and they've performed exceptionally well. However, I'm hoping for more support regarding the recent 7" ghosting problem. Whenever I encounter a faulty unit, my only option is to order a replacement and return the defective one for warranty service.
I apologize for the delay in addressing this issue, but I have some important updates regarding the situation:
1. Since identifying this problem, we have been actively conducting internal testing and collaborating with our hardware component suppliers to find a resolution.
2. Although we have not yet definitively determined the root cause, we suspect there may be a defect with the LCD screen. Our LCD supplier is actively participating in our investigation to address this issue.
3. Together with the LCD supplier, we have developed a testing protocol that will be implemented as we continue to explore the underlying cause of the problem.
4. Every single LCD screen will undergo thorough testing before it is integrated into the final assembled Human-Machine Interface (HMI).
5. Additionally, 100% of our existing inventory of finished units will be rigorously tested before they are released for shipment.
6. Based on the results of our inventory testing, we anticipate being able to resume shipments by next week.
Thank you for your understanding.
Best regards,
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy,
Should we arrange the exchange of existing units directly with your team, or should we coordinate this through the distributor from whom we originally purchased them?
JeremyH stated: Apologies for the delay in addressing this topic; however, I do have some updates regarding the situation.
1. Since we first became aware of this issue, we have been actively conducting internal testing while collaborating with our hardware component suppliers.
2. Although we have not definitively pinpointed the root cause, initial findings suggest a defect in the LCD screen. The supplier of the LCD screens is participating in our ongoing investigations.
3. In collaboration with the LCD supplier, we have developed a testing protocol that will be implemented as we continue to delve deeper into identifying the root cause.
4. Every LCD screen will undergo rigorous testing prior to being utilized in the final assembly of the HMI units.
5. Additionally, we will ensure that our entire inventory of finished units is thoroughly tested before they are approved for shipment.
6. Based on the results of our inventory testing, we anticipate resuming shipments as early as next week.
Thank you for your patience,
Jeremy
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I have an important update regarding item number 6 on my list. Unfortunately, we are unable to ship our current inventory at this time, which means that shipments will be delayed a bit longer. We are still in the process of finalizing our approach to address this situation. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to reach out to me via email at [email protected]. As soon as we have a solid plan in place, I will keep you informed. Thank you once again for your understanding and patience as we navigate this issue!
I have sent you an email regarding our discussion. Thank you for your assistance!
We’re excited to share some important news regarding the display issue you’ve been experiencing. Our team has successfully addressed this problem with the release of a new version of the Crimson 3 software (version 530.003). You can easily download this updated software by visiting our official site at [Red Lion Support - Crimson 3 Downloads](http://www.redlion.net/Support/Downl.../Crimson3.html). Please note that while this update will resolve most issues, pressing the reset button might still cause a recurrence. However, performing a complete power cycle will effectively resolve the problem. Thank you for your patience and support!
Best regards,
Jeremy
I have experience programming the Cmore series from AutomationDirect.com and found it to be quite effective. Recently, I transitioned to working with the Maple Systems HMI 5097DXL, a dual Ethernet model, and I've been impressed with its capabilities. The EZwarePlus software is excellent for programming complex applications. In comparison, the software options from Red Lion and AutomationDirect tend to cater to beginners. If you’re exploring HMI solutions, I recommend considering Weintek, a reputable company with over 20 years of experience in the HMI industry.
I’ve heard that the 5070TH is no longer operational at the moment. For this situation, you could either opt for the P model or, in this case, the 5102L would be a suitable alternative.
- 25-01-2025
- jkyleanderson7912