Inquiring about the potential performance of RA's standalone version, I managed to successfully launch it without encountering any port usage errors. I observed a DHCP request coming from a device on my network while testing the software. This raises questions about the compatibility of newer software versions with modern operating systems, as the classic BootP utility surprisingly seems to be functioning well. Thank you for the insightful suggestion, jstolaruk. To download the software, you can visit https://bootp-dhcp-server.software.informer.com/download/.
phuz mentioned the need for Rockwell to address the issue properly. It is important to note that if port 67 is already in use by a process on a new Windows 10 Pro laptop, it is likely that the process is a Bootp server. One possible solution would be to configure the server to assign a specific IP address to the PLC when it requests one.
IP ports are specific to each host in TCP/IP, with a total of 65536 available ports. If another server process on the laptop has already claimed and is actively using port 67, it is the responsibility of the user to resolve the issue, not Rockwell's.
Bootp is a client-server protocol that utilizes UDP. The PLC acts as the client and sends a broadcast to UDP port 67 with its MAC address to request an IP address. The Windows 10 Pro laptop runs a Bootp server process that listens on port 67, matches MAC addresses to corresponding IP addresses, and assigns them accordingly.
If a server process is already using port 67 on the laptop, any additional process will be unable to bind to that port. This is because the operating system cannot determine which server process should handle incoming requests if multiple processes are bound to the same port.
In essence, a UDP server process like a Bootp server follows these steps: creating a UDP socket, binding it to the server address, waiting for datagram packets from clients, processing them, and sending replies. For more information on UDP server-client implementation, refer to the link provided.
According to phuz, I have observed that internet connection sharing is currently enabled on my computer system. Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) is a crucial Windows service that allows one computer with an internet connection to share it with other computers within a local area network (LAN). The computer acting as the gateway device routes all traffic between the LAN computers and the internet. ICS offers Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) and network address translation (NAT) services for the LAN computers. This DHCP service might be utilizing port 67, preventing any other Bootp server from binding to the same port. Considering this, is it feasible to temporarily disable ICS to let a separate Bootp server assign an IP address to the PLC, then re-enable ICS after stopping the Bootp server? For more information, refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Connection_Sharing
drbitboy inquired about the possibility of temporarily disabling ICS to enable a standalone Bootp server to allocate the IP address to the PLC, followed by restarting ICS. Looking for a solution to this issue? Check out the guide on how to disable Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) in Windows 10 on The Windows Club website.
If you're encountering issues with BootP, try these steps that worked for me: stop the Host Network Service and the Internet Connection Sharing in that exact order. This solution helped resolve the problem for me. For more tips and troubleshooting, visit Microsoft's forum here: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...-sharing/b01e1ebc-4f9d-4bf6-8d15-37a782fa03ff.
hardaysknight shared a solution that worked for fixing network sharing issues on Windows 10. By stopping the Host Network Service and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) in that order, BootP started working properly. However, some may see this as just a temporary fix. It's unclear why this issue is specific to certain laptops, as it seems to be related to Windows 10 running ICS, which can only be disabled by stopping the host network service. If this problem is not common, then I will step back and reconsider.
I discovered that the Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) service was configured to start manually on my system. I questioned what initiates its start - could it be the HP printer utility/driver previously discussed? I have this software on my computer, and HP's reputation for questionable practices is well known.
jstolaruk inquired about the ICS service on their system, which was set to manual start. They questioned what triggers the service to start, speculating about the involvement of the HP printer utility/driver. Despite concerns about HP's past practices, they confirmed not having any HP print utilities on their computer. Interestingly, their ICS service also operates manually but with an unknown trigger, adding to the mystery.
phuz expressed concerns about the issue, suggesting it may be more than just a temporary fix. They speculated that the problem might not be exclusive to their laptop but related to a Windows 10 feature known as Internet Connection Sharing (ICS). Disabling ICS requires stopping the host network service, which could be a unique challenge. They also considered the possibility of a Windows 10 update causing the sudden malfunction of BootP on their laptop.
hardaysknight mentioned the possibility of a Windows 10 update causing BootP to stop working on their laptop. It wouldn't be surprising if that was the case. After finishing the startup process, they plan to try navigating Rockwell's website to submit a ticket. It's unfortunate that there isn't a simpler way to indicate that an issue has not been resolved under an existing TN number.
Drbitboy explains how Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) is a Windows utility that allows one computer with internet access to share its connection with other devices on a local area network (LAN). The computer sharing the connection acts as a gateway, directing all network traffic through it. ICS offers DHCP and NAT services for LAN computers, facilitating network communication.
Possibly, the DHCP service using port 67 may prevent other Bootp servers from binding to the same port. Temporarily disabling ICS could allow a separate BootP server to assign an IP address to the PLC before restarting ICS.
Creating a batch script to halt these services, launch BootP software, and then restart the services upon closing BootP is a potential solution. However, as some users suggest, this is a temporary fix. Understanding the root cause of the issue would be beneficial.
To generate a netstat report, enter the command below in a cmd.exe window:C:\Users\...>netstat -ano > Downloads\netstat-ano.txtC:\Users\...>​Upload the file netstat-ano.txt to this discussion thread. You can find my report attached below, showing no UDP binds to port 67 and successful start-up of Bootp.exe on my system. If a UDP line does show :67, this may be preventing Rockwell's Bootp from starting.
Harddaysknight mentioned that, contrary to other users' opinions, this issue is not just a temporary solution. It is important to understand that in IP networking, only one server can bind to a port at a time. If another server binds to the port first, it is beyond the realm of control for RA. The Bootp tool's help file even acknowledges this issue multiple times. It begs the question - why is the OP's laptop running ICS? Who is it providing connectivity to? One potential solution could be adding the Bootp tool to the services to bind port 67 before ICS initializes. Another option could be using an Open Bootp server with a different IP address for the network card, allowing for the execution of the Bootp protocol without interference from ICS. For more information, visit: https://go.antamedia.com/help/hotspot-standalone-open-dhcp-server/
drbitboy pointed out that if another server binds the port first, it's beyond RA's control and not their problem. The issue is even mentioned in the Bootp tool's help file. The concern raised is why OP's laptop is running Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) and which hosts it is providing connectivity for. It's not a matter of blaming RA, as similar issues have been experienced with Keyence BootP software. The focus is on understanding the changes that caused Windows 10 to stop working with BootP software, unless the ICS service has been disabled. There's a desire to learn what caused this sudden change and how to troubleshoot it. While it used to function on the Windows 10 laptop before, it now presents challenges.
This morning, I experienced no problems with BootP Server 3.05.00 on my system, which is currently running Windows 10 Pro version 20H2 build 19042.1348 with Expansion Pack version 120.2212.3920.0.
travispedley reported running Windows 10 Pro version 20H2 with the Build 10.0.19043. He mentioned no issues with BootP Server 3.05.00 up to this morning, but raised the possibility of encountering problems with an update. It could be worth considering whether to hold off on updating to prevent any potential issues, or to monitor closely for any new developments that may arise from an update.
jstolaruk mentioned that their current build is 10.0.19043 and they are experiencing issues. They are unsure whether to update or if an update could potentially resolve the issue. I am running version 21H1 19043.1348 but unfortunately, I am still facing the same problem.
jstolaruk noted that on build 10.0.19043, there are occurrences of issues. It is advised to consider not updating or to be aware that an update could potentially lead to the problem resurfacing. I will make sure to share this cautionary information with my team.
If you're in agreement with me, then you're not disagreeing. Hey @phuz and @hardaysknight, what does your network setup entail? Do you have multiple network interfaces in operation, such as "Corporate Wifi" for internet access and "Plant Ethernet" for hardware communication? I'm struggling with setting up Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) ... oh, hold on a second. I realize now that I need to establish two separate networks, with the USB dongle WiFi on a different subnet (192.168.137.0/255.255.255.0) from the wired Ethernet (192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0), and I have a service listening on UDP port 67; see the image below.
I wonder if Windows 10 Pro automatically activates ICS when it detects multiple network cards. If so, that could potentially lead to issues, although it's not guaranteed to happen.
In any case, if ICS initiates a DHCP/Bootp server, is there a way to configure it to instruct ICS itself (which I presume runs a Bootp/DHCP server) to assign an IP address to the PLC when the PLC sends a Bootp client request?
Details about my desktop setup:
- Edition: Windows 10 Home
- Version: 21H1
- Installed on: 7/1/2020
- OS build: 19043.1348
- Experience: Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.3920.0​
travispedley mentioned that they are currently using Windows 10 Pro version 20H2 19042.1348 with BootP Server 3.05.00 running smoothly. This setup is typically applicable to systems with two TCP/IP network interfaces. Expanding on this, the compatibility between the operating system and BootP Server seems to be effective based on the latest observations.
It's quite amusing: when I disabled the WiFi connection where the 192.168.137.1 address was located, all services running on 192.168.137.1 suddenly vanished, leaving only UDP ports 67 and 68 for Bootp/DHCP. Interestingly, ICS at PID 5012 seems to be lingering like a stale odor.
drbitboy pointed out that the relevance of having two TCP/IP network interfaces is only applicable when you have multiple network connections. My understanding of networking is limited, as I am only familiar with configuring IP addresses. I shared my build information to contribute to tracking working versions, despite my lack of networking expertise. My machine is equipped with WiFi, Gigabit Ethernet LAN, and an additional USB LAN port, and I have not encountered any issues with connectivity.
When it comes to networking, do you have multiple network interfaces set up on your computer? For example, do you use "Corporate Wifi" for internet access and "Plant Ethernet" to communicate with plant hardware? I personally use a USB dongle for ethernet (thanks, IT) on my laptop, so it sometimes doesn't show up in the device manager. Despite this issue, I previously had no problem using it on the same laptop. I make sure to disable Wi-Fi and only use the ethernet dongle when using BootP to avoid any confusion with network devices. My suspicion is that there may be a software causing Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) to activate, or possibly a recent Windows update causing issues. Do any of you experience similar networking challenges?
While I have not used BootP in quite some time, I have found a faster and more efficient method using ControlFlash. By entering the desired IP address and letting it time out before inputting the MAC address, ControlFlash quickly assigns the IP address for your product. This method has proven to be easier and more convenient compared to traditional BootP usage. Additionally, having this tool can be particularly useful for those who work with a lot of devices. Learn more about how to simplify the process with our Allen Bradley IP Address Explorer. Visit our website for more information: https://www.plccable.com/allen-brad...dress-explorer-dhcp-and-bootp-server-sim-ipe/
- 11-07-2024
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@drbitboy: I'm using a standard wired connection, nothing out of the ordinary. @hardaysknight: Interestingly, I resorted to using the Keyence "IP setting tool" a few months back when I needed a quick fix and wasn't familiar with it at the time.
phuz mentioned that a regular hardwired connection was being used, with no special setup. It appears that with only one active IP interface, ICS cannot be the issue. The question then becomes: what is utilizing UDP port 67? To further investigate, could you kindly provide the outputs of the commands netstat -ano and ipconfig /all from a cmd.exe window? This information would be helpful for others facing a similar issue. Although you may have already resolved the problem, sharing this data could benefit those experiencing similar difficulties.
drbitboy pointed out that if there is only one active IP interface, the issue with Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) is unlikely. This raises the question: what is utilizing UDP port 67? Kindly provide the output of the command "netstat -anof" from a cmd.exe window and the output of "ipconfig /all". This information will be valuable for others facing a similar problem. Despite potentially resolving the issue and moving forward, it could benefit those encountering the same issue. It has been observed that ICS is the culprit, as disabling the host network service and subsequently ICS allows the use of the new BootP.
In a recent investigation, phuz discovered a connection issue related to Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) on their system. By terminating specific services, phuz was able to resolve the issue and establish a successful connection. Upon closer examination using netstat, phuz observed that the ICS process was initially not bound to any UDP ports. However, after configuring the network settings, the ICS process connected to various UDP ports on localhost and IP addresses.
Furthermore, when phuz connected to a Wi-Fi access point, the ICS process then bound to additional UDP ports, including port 67. This caused conflict with the Rockwell BootP-DHCP tool, preventing it from running as expected. Even after disconnecting from the Wi-Fi access point, the ICS process continued to listen on port 67, causing further complications.
After restarting the Host Network Service and ICS, a new process ID was assigned, resolving the port conflict issue. Despite adjusting network settings and attempting to use a different subnet, the problem persisted until the ICS process was restarted. This thorough investigation highlights the complexities of network configuration and the interplay between different services and protocols.
Are the default settings for Host Network Service and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) service set to manual or automatic? I recently tested the BootP program and it ran successfully. Upon checking, I found that both services are not currently running and are set to Manual (Trigger) start up type. I am unsure if I made any changes to the startup settings. Additionally, I am curious if anyone experiencing the same issue has any virtual machine programs, such as VMWare or Virtualbox, installed on their system.
hardaysknight asked for assistance regarding the default settings of Host Network Service and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) service. Upon checking, it was found that both services are currently set to Manual (Trigger) startup type and are not running. It is unclear if the startup settings were changed previously. Additionally, hardaysknight inquired if others experiencing similar issues have virtual machine programs such as VMWare or Virtualbox installed on their computers. They mentioned that they did not modify the settings and both services remained set to Manual (Trigger). There are no virtual machines installed on their device.
Hardaysknight inquired about the default settings for the Host Network Service and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) service. In the Services dialog, I noticed that both services were set to Manual(Trigger) under the Startup Type column. Although I have never changed these settings, both services were still Running in the Status column immediately after booting up. This leads me to question what triggered their activation. I believe that running the command netstat -ano would provide a more accurate diagnosis of whether these services may disrupt BootP. For reference, I am using Windows 10 Home version 21H1, with an installation date of 7/‎1/‎2020 and OS Build 19043.1348, along with Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.3920.0.
phuz mentioned that the issue resolved when they terminated the host network service and subsequently ICS, indicating a potential compatibility issue with ICS. In the past, using BootP required disabling all other networking hardware in the device manager. This may have also included Bluetooth, based on previous experiences.
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