TijanaJ mentioned that they are only able to view information related to their controller on AB_VBP_1, but they are unsure of the potential uses of this connection. Can the controller be reprogrammed using the VBP flash method?
- 15-07-2024
- geniusintraining
I have made multiple attempts to select the correct PLC catalog number and then choosing Micro850 from VBP in RSLinx. However, I keep receiving an error message stating "Invalid Catalog Number: The selected device does not match the catalog number in the Catalog Number Dialog." Despite being confident in my selections, the error persists. Please refer to the attached screenshot of my RSLinx window for further reference.
To optimize your device, follow these steps: select the controller displayed in the AB_VBP-1 driver, right-click, and choose "Upload EDS file from device." Once the EDS file is uploaded, make sure to verify the USB driver to ensure proper registration.
Thank you nhatsen for your advice! I have considered your suggestion, but I am unable to find the option for EDS upload when I right-click (please refer to the screenshot attached). Whether I click on the controller, any of the channels, or the yellow question mark, the option remains the same. I downloaded the EDS for the controller I am using from AB and added it using the EDS Hardware Installation Tool, but there was no change in the situation. Despite my efforts through VBP, I am not seeing any results, leaving me puzzled about the purpose of the driver.
Are you looking for a solution to the issue you're facing with Micro 830? Let's troubleshoot this problem together!
Unfortunately, tonvip21, it seems there is no solution available for your issue. I came across a response on a different forum that suggested the connection method used during the firmware update could be the culprit. If the update is done via USB and the connection gets interrupted, it can result in the processor becoming "bricked" and unusable. Although I haven't personally worked with the new Micro850 controller, I have encountered similar issues with A-B processors. In such cases, the only solution was to replace the processor. Since I was connected via USB, it is likely that the processor has been "bricked" and is now unusable.
If you can't remember how to do it from memory, an option is to use an SD card to configure the communication settings upon the controller's start-up. This process ensures the controller boots up with the correct settings in place.
I've come across this scenario multiple times, but thankfully it has never personally affected me. It would be a profitable venture for someone to consider creating Book Ends using "bricked" PLCs, especially those using Logix software.
Rson recommended using an SD card to configure communication settings on a PLC controller during boot-up. However, in cases where the controller is bricked due to firmware flashing, it may get stuck in a boot-up cycle and fail to read the SD card. If anyone has a bricked Micro800 PLC for sale, please contact me.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
A user on the forum, geniusintraining, expressed doubt about the effectiveness of a solution for bricked PLCs due to firmware flashing issues. The issue typically results in the device being stuck in a boot-up cycle and unable to read the SD card. If anyone has a bricked Micro800 available for sale, I am interested in purchasing it. Ironically, I also experienced this problem with my new Micro830. How much are you offering for the bricked device?
If a flashing "RED" fault light appears, it indicates a recoverable fault. To troubleshoot this issue, the first step is to connect via ethernet directly to the PLC. Next, use "WireShark" to identify the PLC's IP address and adjust your computer's network settings accordingly. Once connected, attempt to reprogram the PLC with a new IP address and a simple program. In my experience with numerous Micro 820-830-850-870 PLCs, I have successfully resolved every fault encountered. It's important to remember that there's always a first time for every challenge.
Vlad Romanov inquired about the cost of the brick. He mentioned that he was looking for a way to revive the PLC and help others save money. Like David, he has successfully flashed numerous Micro800's without any problems. He emphasized that using the SD card has made the process significantly faster and easier. Recently, he purchased a 2080-SDMEMRTC-SC by Spectrum to flash around 15 850's, which will streamline the process even further.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
Encountering a similar problem with my 850 model, but managed to resolve it successfully. If you are facing the same issue of RSLINX Classic not recognizing your device and unable to upload the EDS file, here's a solution that worked for me. After multiple failed attempts to connect, I decided to try one last method. By connecting via USB to the PLC and accessing Connected Components Workbench (CCW), I opened an existing project for the 850 model. Right-clicked on the Micro850 device and chose the option to update the firmware. Surprisingly, the update process went smoothly without any issues. This troubleshooting step could potentially assist others facing a similar technical issue.
A user named palmerplc commented: "Hopefully this information will be helpful to someone in need." Click to expand to see the full thread. Thank you for informing us, one thing is for certain... it will happen again.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
I often ponder if individuals experiencing difficulties with firmware flashing are utilizing ControlFlash when encountering problems. Personally, I have successfully flashed numerous processors without any issues, thanks to always relying on CCW for firmware upgrades. It would be intriguing to uncover any patterns or common factors among those facing challenges.
One user shared their experience with resolving a connectivity issue on an Allen Bradley Micro850 PLC. Despite facing troubles with RSLINX Classic not recognizing the device and being unable to upload an EDS file, they found success by updating the firmware through Connected Components Workbench (CCW) via a USB connection. This simple solution may help others facing similar issues with their PLC. Feel free to try this method and share your results. Thank you for the helpful tip.
The PLC Pie Guy noted that he has successfully flashed numerous processors without any issues, but now he always opts for CCW to handle firmware upgrades. This changed when he began utilizing the Micro SD card.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
One user, palmerplc, shared a helpful tip for resolving an issue with an Allen Bradley Micro850 PLC where the 850 and flashing fault light were causing problems. Despite facing challenges with RSLINX Classic not recognizing the device and the inability to upload an EDS file, a solution was finally found. By connecting via USB to the PLC and accessing Connected Components Workbench (CCW), a firmware update was successfully completed by right-clicking on Micro850 and selecting the option to update firmware. This simple solution could potentially assist others facing similar issues. However, it is important to note that this method may not work for every case, as one user faced the same error when attempting to flash from a CCW project. The same menu (RSLinx) appeared during the flashing process, and the same error occurred when selecting the target.
Struggling with a Micro 850 that won't boot up after a firmware update gone wrong? I encountered the same issue but managed to revive my Micro 850 using a USB connection in a virtual machine. By connecting with a USB cable and using ControlFlash v15.04.00, RSLinx Classic v4.20.00, and selecting the "AB_VBP-1" virtual backplane driver, I successfully restored my Micro 850 with firmware version 12.011 /A. If you're facing a similar situation, these steps may help you resolve the issue.
Have you discovered a way to unbrick a Bricked 800? I am interested in purchasing one, but unsure how to fix it if it becomes bricked. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!
Mightydog365 inquired about purchasing bricked 800's and asked for advice on how to unbrick them. Geniusintraining, do you have any tips for fixing bricked devices? I personally have one that I would like to revive and continue using. Although I don't have any specific tricks, I am willing to invest some money to experiment and troubleshoot. I have successfully installed many devices without bricking any so far.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
Geniusintraining shared their experience with bringing life back into PLCs and saving money by using the 2080-SDMEMRTC-SC module by Spectrum to flash Micro800's. They found it to be a quicker and easier process compared to other methods. This approach can help save time and streamline the flashing process for multiple 850's. How exactly does flashing firmware using the 2080-SDMEMRTC-SC and an SD card work? Is it necessary to load the firmware onto the SD card or are there alternative programs available for this process?
After purchasing them, it appears that flashing the PLC is still necessary. Due to this, I personally did not proceed beyond acquiring a few units. Find more information on this topic at http://www.plctalk.net/qanda/showthread.php?t=127745.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
I discovered instructions for performing a Flash Upgrade using a MicroSD Card specifically for the Micro 850 with SD card modules. The document includes details for upgrading the firmware from a MicroSD card, which may trigger a hard fault if the firmware revision is not compatible with the series. The upgrade process involves utilizing a ConfigMeFirst.txt file and selecting the appropriate firmware file, such as [FWFILE = firmware\2080-LC50-48QBBA\2080-LC50-48QBBA_12.013_1K.nvs]. You can find more information and guidelines for this procedure in the manual for Allen-Bradley Micro830 on page 267, or refer to the official documentation from Rockwell Automation at this link: https://literature.rockwellautomation.com/idc/groups/literature/documents/rn/2080-rn001_-en-p.pdf.
Plctech1235 mentioned that the Micro 850 PLC may work with the 2080-MEMBAK-RTC and a SD card module. However, the Micro 850 does not have an SD slot, unlike the Micro 820. This led to considering the 2080-SDMEMRTC-SC, which does have an SD slot. The idea of using a MEMBAK to achieve the same result also crossed the mind, but there is uncertainty about potential faults when the PLC no longer detects the card after it is removed post-programming. Despite this concern, a trial may still be worth considering.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
A conversation on using memory cards in PLCs was sparked when discussing the 850 model's lack of an SD slot, unlike the 820 model. Considering the 2080-SDMEMRTC-SC with an SD slot instead, the idea of using a MEMBAK to achieve the same outcome arose. However, the concern of potential faults upon removing the card post-programming remained. A similar issue was encountered with an 820 model, leading to troubleshooting attempts using a memory card and configmefirst.txt file. Despite various methods, including rs232 connections, the memory card failed to be recognized before the PLC faulted on startup.
According to the product data sheet, the 2080-SDMEMRTC-SC module is capable of performing firmware updates directly from an SD card, eliminating the need for a PC. However, I am uncertain about the required firmware version, which should be higher than 12.00.00 on the PLC. I have encountered an issue where the 2080-SDMEMRTC-SC module is not listed in the plug-in module options within my current version of CCW 20.01.00. Is there a patch available to address this compatibility issue? For more information, you can refer to the official data sheet at https://spectrumcontrols.com/download/2080-sdmemrtc-sc-data-sheet/
Plctech1235 mentioned that the 2080-SDMEMRTC-SC module can perform firmware updates from the SD card without needing a PC. This feature prompted them to purchase a couple of modules. However, Firejo pointed out that a potential issue could arise if the processor does not detect the memory module unless it is configured properly. This could make the process futile if configuration is required using a PC anyways. The experience shared highlights the importance of properly setting up the module to ensure seamless operation. For example, when dealing with 820 modules, inserting the card and powering it up results in the system transitioning into the RUN mode with the lights illuminating after a short period. This demonstrates the significance of correctly configuring the modules for optimal performance.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
When I attempted to update the firmware using ControlFLASH 15.06.00, I encountered a connection issue (Error: Update to target device failed). The device displayed 2080-LC50-24QBB instead of the expected 2080-LC50-48QBB, preventing me from uploading the eds file. I am considering flashing it from the SD card, but I am unsure if it will resolve the problem, especially with micro 850 version 6.00.00 instead of 12.00.00.
On Mon Nov 14 14:14:21 2022, the update was successful, with the instance being 8 and the size being 497860 bytes. However, there was a failure during the reset process due to Error #11003: Unconnected Send timed out waiting for a response.
Furthermore, on Mon Nov 14 14:14:31 2022, the loading of the script was successful from the specified directory. Subsequent reset attempts on Mon Nov 14 14:15:52 2022 and Mon Nov 14 14:15:55 2022 resulted in failures with the same error code.
Plctech1235 reported a successful script loading of "2080-LC50-FPGA-OCL-48A_12.013.bin" but encountered a failure with Error #11003: Unconnected Send timed out waiting for a response during the reset process. It seems like the issue may be related to the erasing of the current version before loading the new one. It is recommended to try loading firmware version 6.0 before attempting version 12 again. Check the Allen Bradley website for firmware updates.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
The compatibility with RS Linx Classic or Factory Talk Linx has been lost. An error in the catalog number is causing issues with Control Flash, displaying as 2080-LC50-24QBB. Control Flash Plus is also not functioning properly, showing a communication error when trying to connect to the target device. Attempts to update have failed and the module needs to be reset. Additionally, there is a connection problem with Connected Components Workbench (CCW) for firmware updates, as the module cannot be selected from the Factory Talk list due to a catalog number issue. To potentially resolve these issues, there is a plan to try using an SD card with the 2080-SDMEMRTC-SC module for firmware installation without relying on Control Flash or CCW. It is also being considered whether using a serial port connection could help with firmware reinstallation. The model number of the necessary cable for this connection is unknown. [Include images for reference purposes: https://freeimage.host/i/H9kDMnj, https://freeimage.host/i/H9kD4Fp, https://freeimage.host/i/H9kbFDu]
Plctech1235 asked about using a serial port connection to reinstall firmware and inquired about the model number of the cable. The LC50 features a standard USB port, so any A to B USB cable should suffice for the task. It may be worth trying an old USB printer cable, as it is likely compatible with the device.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
At present, I am utilizing the internet port on my device as the USB cable to the printer has not been functional ever since the latest firmware update.
Are you experiencing issues with your PLC firmware after upgrading a Micro830® or Micro850® controller manufactured before April 2015 with firmware version 4? If so, it may not be able to update under certain conditions, leading to flashing red lights, communication failures, and incorrect PLC model recognition in RSLinx.
To resolve this issue, contact Rockwell tech support for assistance. They can provide a solution or issue an RMA number for a replacement Micro850. Rockwell is aware of this problem and may credit your vendor for the replacement unit.
If your PLC falls into this category, reaching out to Rockwell tech support can help you get the exchange process started. Keep in mind that if your PLC was manufactured before April 2015, it may be bricked permanently. Let us know if you need further assistance.
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It's been quite some time since this discussion thread was last active. However, if you're facing issues with what you think is a bricked microcontroller, I'd like to share my experience with a firmware upgrade attempt on a 2080-LC50 24QWB model, going from version 2 to version 10.
During the upgrade process, the system failed while polling for power up. I couldn't establish a connection, but when I checked in RSlinx, I could see it through the USB under AB-VBP1 (virtual backplane). However, it only displayed the base catalogue number (Micro 850 2080-LC50) without the specific I/O catalogue number (24QWB in my case).
To resolve this issue, I navigated to Controlflash, accessed the virtual backplane, drilled down to Micro 850-LC50, and selected PCviaUSB Unknown Bus to reestablish the connection. It's important to note that the microcontroller defaults to a different catalogue number than the one you have, resulting in an "invalid catalogue number" error message. Therefore, you need to start from the first LC50 catalogue number in Controlflash, drill down to PCviaUSB every time, and then click "next" to proceed with the firmware upgrade.
You may continue to encounter the "invalid catalogue number" error until you reach the new catalogue number assigned by the microcontroller. In my case, it reassigned as 2080-LC50-24QBB. Don't forget to drill down to PCviaUSB in Controlflash during this process.
I hope this information proves helpful to anyone experiencing similar challenges.
Currently facing a challenge with a Micro820 as it lacks a USB port. Is it possible to resolve this using an ethernet connection or SD card?
A user named geniusintraining expressed doubt about the effectiveness of a potential solution for bricked PLCs due to firmware flashing issues. When a PLC gets "bricked," it often gets stuck in a boot-up cycle and fails to read the SD card. If anyone has a bricked Micro800 they're willing to sell, please contact me. I currently have 8 bricked Micro850 units available for purchase.
Zhouplc shared that they have 8 bricked Micro850 programmable logic controllers. What could have caused this issue?
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining
A user named geniusintraining expressed surprise, asking what may have occurred to a particular subject. It is suggested that their action of pressing the Download button may have caused the situation.
Considering stopping after the first time, instead of repeating 8 times.
- 16-07-2024
- geniusintraining