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UL seems to be focused solely on making money with their expensive testing fees. Charging $350 for a computer-graded test is excessive. It seems like they are scrambling for cash as other NTRL's are offering better prices and customer service. -rpoet
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UL appears to be engaged in a money-making scheme with their exorbitant $350 testing fee for a computer-graded test. It seems like they are becoming increasingly desperate for money, especially as other NTRL's are undercutting them on pricing and customer service. -rpoet
A few years back, the ex-president of Red Lion vented about being forced to pay UL extortion fees for every device. While I can't locate that specific rant, I share the sentiment. Despite our product solely requiring 24 volts for power, we too are subject to these fees. With Red Lion offering a wider range of products at lower prices, these fees significantly impact the cost of items like smaller displays.
- 14-10-2024
- Peter Nachtwey
Rob mentioned that he has not received any updates from the company in the United Kingdom. It is possible that they are prioritizing the United States for their rollout. However, there is no need to worry as this will not affect opportunities in the UK or EU. Just like with certifications from Siemens, Rockwell, or any other provider, as long as you can perform well and successfully complete your probationary period, you will be considered for employment.
According to janner_10, qualifications from Siemens, Rockwell, or other certification bodies may not hold much weight in the UK/EU. As long as you can prove your abilities and successfully complete a 3-month probationary period, you have a good chance of getting hired. However, despite building panels for shipping to the US, we are still subject to inspection by a UL official. Despite having reservations about UL's standards and practices, they have a strong hold on the market and often exploit customers.
For a shocking price comparison, inquire with CSA about the cost of becoming a certified panel shop. You'll be surprised at how affordable it is compared to UL certification fees.
Rob expressed his disappointment with the standards and practices of the dominant player in the market, who seem to prioritize profit over safety. This organization, once a non-profit focused on safety, shifted to a for-profit model, causing a decline in quality. Despite the dedicated employees who still uphold the original values, it has become increasingly challenging to maintain those ideals in the current profit-driven environment.
According to ndzied1, the organization used to prioritize safety as a not-for-profit entity. However, since transitioning to a for-profit model, there has been a noticeable decline in their commitment to those ideals. Despite some employees still maintaining a dedication to the cause, the focus is increasingly shifting towards profit. This move towards capitalism has resulted in a perception of the organization as overly bloated and lacking integrity. UL, once known for its dedication to safety, is now seen as a joke.
Several years ago, the ex-president of Red Lion made a lengthy complaint about being forced to pay exorbitant UL fees for each device. Though the original post is now lost, the sentiment remains the same. Despite our product only requiring 24 volts for power, we are still required to pay these fees. This significantly raises costs for more affordable products like small displays. Jesse recently shared this post with me, sparking memories of how absurd the situation was. UL's policy of charging based on value rather than cost led to outrageous fees, such as $20K for a simple paper change. To make matters worse, Red Lion even trespassed on our tradeshow booth and left their logo sign without permission. This led to me taking drastic action by shooting holes in the sign and leaving it at our office reception. The UL representative claimed to feel threatened by this act, showing an extreme sensitivity. Surprisingly, the situation escalated to the point where a senior UL VP visited me to discuss a new customer engagement strategy. However, when I tried to follow up with him, I was informed that he had been fired. It seems he did not fit in with the company's culture.
I recently completed the UL 508a Motor Exam, and it requires either knowledge of the answers or knowing where to locate them. The exam consists of 80 questions to be completed in a four-hour time frame, with some tricky questions to consider.
When it comes to safety standards for engineers in Europe, many often compare UL 508 and TUV. TUV is often seen as the European equivalent of UL508, focusing on safety measures for machinery. TUV requires engineers to pass a test with around 40-50 questions within a 2-hour time frame, with a passing rate of approximately 90%. This certification emphasizes safety protocols and the implementation of control measures to prevent accidents and ensure the protection of individuals working with machinery.
I recently completed the test for the second time and successfully passed. However, my performance was not as strong as I had anticipated. While I feel confident in my understanding of 508a requirements, I struggled with the wording of certain questions. Throughout my 40-year career, the NEC has been central to my work, shaping my interpretation skills. Surprisingly, this background may have hindered rather than helped me in navigating the UL world.
A critic voiced concerns over UL's pricing strategy, calling it a money grab. The $350 fee for a computer-graded test seems excessive, especially with competitors offering lower prices and better customer service. However, existing UL certified shops can take the test for free until September 30.
- 14-10-2024
- FactoryTalktotheHand
Can anyone suggest any literature in addition to UL508A for electrical standards compliance? Which specific sections of UL508A should be given extra focus? - PaulB
The certification exam was quite challenging, but I managed to pass on my first attempt, albeit just barely. It took me nearly the entire 4-hour time limit, even though I was familiar with where to find most of the answers in the standard. Some of the questions were poorly worded, which made it even tougher. I suggest having a digital version of the standard and supplement SA on hand for quick reference during the exam. Best of luck to you!
Does the entire UL standard book address all questions, or are they only covered in specific sections?
Dani90 inquired if the questions cover the entire UL standard book or specific sections. Upon further investigation, no questions were found from Sections 68-114 of the UL 508A standard.
After consulting with my UL Field Engineer, he informed me that the test was rolled out without any input from field personnel. Many of them are feeling caught off guard by this. He advised me to postpone taking the test until he and other Field Engineers complete the Study Guide they are currently developing. According to him, this guide should assist in preparing for the test. Here's hoping it makes a difference!
Mastering the navigation through standard procedures and locating key tables is essential for quick and efficient information retrieval. The same applies to utilizing supplements, such as SA, in order to avoid wasting time. Familiarity with the layout and contents is crucial to optimize productivity and prevent running out of time.
Please note that our panel shop technician recently spoke with our UL representative in Chicago regarding the new certification standard. It was clarified that this standard does not impact UL certified control panel construction. While I am not privy to the specifics of their conversation, it appears that this new certification test pertains to a specific aspect of compliance or regulation.
Dear sirs,
If you have taken the test, I have some inquiries:
1. The online guidelines mention acceptable materials as a print or electronic version of the UL 508A standard, print materials from UL 508A training sessions, the National Electrical Code, and calculators. However, the UL email specifies that allowable materials include a print or electronic version of the UL 508A standard, print materials from UL 508A training sessions, access to UL.com, calculators, pens, pencils, and paper. The crucial question here is whether the NEC specifications are also required.
2. For those who have retaken the exam, was it the same test or a different one?
3. What is the test format like? Are questions presented one by one or all at once? Will you be informed immediately if your answers are correct or incorrect?
Thank you for your assistance.
1. Compliance with NEC code is not necessary. 2. It seems that the retest may differ from the initial test, as some test-takers have mentioned unfamiliar questions possibly from a test bank. 3. Questions are presented individually without immediate feedback on correctness. The test is divided into four sections, with a percentage of correct answers provided at the end of each section.
I have noticed that Supplement SA has been removed from the UL508A third edition. Is it now a standalone document? - PaulB
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I've observed that Supplement SA has been omitted from the latest UL508A third edition. Has it been converted into a separate document now? - PaulB
Paul, here is a valuable resource on UL 508a supplement SA specific component requirements: https://www.ul.com/resources/ul-508a-supplement-sa-specific-component-requirements. This information is essential for ensuring compliance with UL standards in electrical systems.
Looking for additional literature recommendations beyond UL508A? Wondering which specific chapters in UL508A deserve more focus? Some crucial information may not be readily available in the standard or the SA Supplement. You may need to consult tables or other resources to obtain the necessary details. Don't forget to consider aspects such as power, amperage, and voltage calculations that may not be explicitly outlined in UL documents.
In recent years, there has been a surge in online tests, but unfortunately, a large number of them lack credibility. One particularly memorable example asked a question about the communication range of Modbus TCP/IP cabling, implying it could reach the moon. Surprisingly, the correct answer was not "to the moon," highlighting the lack of knowledge of the test creator regarding fiber optics and network switches.
In a discussion, Chud pointed out that labeling the moon as the answer to a connectivity question was incorrect, as the exam creator may not be familiar with fiber or network switches. While a direct cable connection between Earth and the moon would pose logistical challenges, a more specific query about the distance for a single copper cable would be clearer. The term "cabling" is vague and can lead to confusion.
One of the recent participants in the class brought along some valuable insights that I will review thoroughly.
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It appears that there is a clear acknowledgment that the first test did not meet expectations.
I greatly appreciate you sharing the PDF regarding the extended deadline. This is the first time I have come across this information.
Innovative interactive courses have been developed by UL for comprehensive training on UL 508a standards. The course code is UL508ALearn and is highly recommended for those seeking certification. Completing this training may also reset your attempts on the MTR exam. Take advantage of this valuable resource to enhance your skills and knowledge in UL 508a standards. Thank you for sharing this information - it has saved me from rushing to complete it at the last minute!
Imagine being in the middle of an important exam when suddenly your internet connection drops for hours.
JerryC raised a valid concern: what happens if your internet connection unexpectedly drops during a timed test, leaving you unable to complete it within the allocated timeframe? It is crucial to note that the test specifically states that you have a strict 4-hour window to complete it in one sitting. If you exit the test for any reason, you will be required to start over from the beginning. This underscores the importance of ensuring a reliable internet connection before beginning the test to avoid potential setbacks.
Apologies for reviving an older discussion, but I am currently in the early stages of preparing for this exam. With the individual who previously took the class and was set to sit the exam no longer with the company, the responsibility now falls to me. Can anyone provide recommendations on essential study materials to cover? My strategy consists of enrolling in an online course and thoroughly reviewing the standard. Following this, I will sit for the exam and assess whether additional review of specific topics is necessary.
Rob mentioned that we manufacture and deliver panels to the United States, but we still require inspection by a UL official. Despite having doubts about their standards and practices, UL holds a strong market monopoly and exploits everyone. This parallels other situations where we continue to tolerate unfair practices in our country.
MetsFan apologizes for resurrecting an old thread, but they are embarking on studying for an important exam. With the departure of a colleague who was supposed to take the test, the responsibility now falls on their shoulders. They are seeking advice on recommended study materials, planning to complete an online course and review the standard content. After taking the test, they will reassess their knowledge and address any weak areas. MetsFan successfully completed the online course, achieving an 88.8% score on their first attempt. The enrollment key for the course is UL508ALEARN. To succeed, they advise thorough examination of test questions as some can be tricky. Good luck with your studies!
I recently researched the requirements for getting a control panel listed by a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) such as UL. It seems like a significant investment to ensure the safety and compliance of a custom control panel. Is it necessary to pay a substantial fee to have an NRTL certify that the panel meets safety standards and won't pose any risks? For UL certification, the process involves an annual fee of $10,000, passing a test on their standards, and paying around $5,000 for inspection and listing of the panel.
I appreciate the valuable insights you've shared, as I'm currently in the process of getting ready.
Just a quick note, the training materials and testing fees will no longer be available for free after February 1, 2021.
I recently attended the Free Bussmann UL 508A MTR Exam Prep Course and found it to be highly beneficial. The instructor displayed an impressive level of expertise and provided valuable guidance throughout the course.
UL has recently extended the MTR requirement deadline from February 1, 2021, to August 1, 2021. Despite the extension, the training and test specifications remain unchanged. I am grateful to have completed and passed the exam earlier this week, ensuring compliance with the updated timeframe.
That's fantastic news! Where can I find the listing for it? I'm looking to attend this weekend after completing the UL online course. MrDnesco, can you share where you came across the free Bussman course?
MetsFan expressed excitement at the good news and inquired about where to find the information. They mentioned completing an online UL course and were planning to take the new course over the weekend. MrDnesco was asked about where to find a free Bussman course. If the information is fresh in your mind, it's the perfect time to take it.
I received correspondence from UL informing me of a date change. The letter was dated January 11, 2021, making it a recent communication.
I concur with Dock's suggestion to capitalize on the freshness of your memory and enroll in the Bussmann UL 508A MTR Exam Prep Course right away. Simply search for it on Google. I followed this advice and scored an impressive 85 on the test I took today.
Congratulations to MrDnesco on passing the exam! I am relieved to say that I also successfully completed it, earning a score of 88 in just over 3 hours. Despite initially struggling with 5 incorrect answers in the first section, I was able to overcome my worries and ultimately succeed.
Congratulations on passing the Mets fan exam! Have you received my private message? In hindsight, I regret not taking more time to carefully go through the test instead of rushing through it, resulting in a completion time of 2.25 hours. I should have utilized the standard tool more to search for answers.
I have received your private message, thank you!
I have taken the test twice now and unfortunately, I have not passed either time. The test is 4 hours long and consists of 80 questions. While I felt confident in the math, SCCR, and fusing questions, I struggled with navigating through the UL508a codebook to find matching phrases or interpret codes. My advice would be to take the test immediately after completing the course to ensure the material is fresh in your mind. Taking thorough notes and asking questions during the class, no matter how simple they may seem, is crucial. I am planning on taking the refresher online course and seeking clarification from UL experts on topics that were unclear to me. I hope this information proves helpful.
After initially struggling with it, I successfully passed the exam on my second attempt. The test included material not covered in the standard, but I was able to fill in the gaps by watching a free 12-part online course (available until 2/1). This course addressed the missing content and I made detailed notes that helped me pass the exam the second time around.
- 14-10-2024
- ChrisTacolover
After completing the 2-day Training Course, I am currently preparing to take the test, which is now divided into 4 sections. I received scores of 80, 70, and 75 on the first three sections, respectively. Surprisingly, a significant portion of the test material was not covered in the preparatory class. Despite referencing the standards for clarification, I still struggled to understand why I did not pass. Some questions were confusingly worded and lacked essential information for a proper answer. It appears that I have one more opportunity to retake the test before needing to request an unlock. It is frustrating to think that many inspectors may struggle to pass this challenging test.
Have you completed the MTR exam preparation class in person or online? When our company became a UL panel shop, I attended the two-day in-person class. Unfortunately, the instructor lacked experience and I felt like I didn't learn much. On the other hand, I found the online prep class to be more informative and effective. Surprisingly, as someone who usually struggles with online learning, I was able to grasp the material better through the online course.
Our team opted for the virtual 2-day class, priced at around $700 per person. However, we were not satisfied with the instructor's performance. As a result, we have started utilizing the online prep course, which has proven to be much more informative. We are now considering requesting a refund.
UL MTR Exam Success Story! I aced the exam with an impressive 90% overall score, proving that diligent preparation pays off. While the test was challenging, I made sure to thoroughly prepare to avoid any surprises. Here's how I did it:
- I diligently watched the UL training video and took detailed notes, capturing both the content on the slides and the key points from the presenter.
- In addition to the UL video, I also studied informative videos from Bussman, Siemens, and other relevant sources on topics like SCCR, Group Motor, and UL508A regulations, ensuring I had a well-rounded understanding.
- I meticulously compiled both paper and electronic versions of my notes, the standard guidelines, and Supplement SA for quick reference during the exam.
- I invested time in searching for specific phrases or keywords from the exam questions to better prepare.
- I made sure to approach the exam questions with caution, as the wording can sometimes be tricky and confusing.
- Contrary to my initial expectations, the exam was split into four 2-hour sections, which could be taken separately. I opted to tackle two sections on Saturday and the remaining two on Sunday, revisiting my notes for each section beforehand.
- My advice to fellow test-takers: take your time, read every question carefully, and best of luck on your exam preparation journey!
After finding the exam challenging due to missing information from the standard, I utilized a free online 12-part course available until 2/1. This course covered the topics I found lacking and helped me pass the exam on my second attempt. Can anyone provide assistance in locating this valuable course?
Are you struggling to locate the 12-part course? Find the course by clicking on Enrollment Key from the dashboard and entering the code UL508ALearn. Need assistance? Let jimtech67 assist you!
It's amazing how time flies - I posted this thread a year ago and I finally made the leap to take the test. I passed on my first try with an impressive score of 93.75%. The training program I mentioned in a previous post really paid off. The deadline to have a certified MTR on staff is quickly approaching, so it was crucial for me to complete the test. I even found a unique way to take the test - in the car on my iPad, connected to my phone while my wife drove us back from visiting our daughter. It was a bit risky with the time limit and internet connection possibility, but fortunately, it all worked out in the end.
I recently completed an exam with little time to prepare, and I nearly passed despite encountering tricky and unclear questions. One question, for instance, asked about the required panels for a "Short Circuit Control Rating" but included potentially confusing terms like "Control" and "circuit." Another question debated whether a panel with only one power circuit meets the criteria outlined in 508A standards. There were other debatable questions as well, where challenging them could possibly boost my score to over 80. Unfortunately, I didn't see an option to take the exam in parts; it had to be completed in one 4-hour session with no breaks allowed.
Anthony406 raised a question about the test format, noting that most sources mention taking the test in a single 4-hour session without breaks. However, it is actually divided into 4 parts, each with a 2-hour time limit. Each part is a standalone module, requiring a minimum score of 80% to pass. Surprisingly, the parts can be taken non-consecutively and not necessarily on the same day. In fact, the test-taker completed part 4 before part 3. To maintain test integrity, participants must agree not to disclose details or record any part of the test. Despite this, some information may be shared (as in this case) without compromising test security. As of the latest update, the test is structured in 4 parts with individual time limits.
Anthony406 mentioned that he did not notice an option to take the test in parts. The exam's instructions specify that it must be completed in a single 4-hour session, with the timer running continuously. There was no pause button between sections for a break. To access the test, Anthony406 logged in at www.UL.com/lms and entered the Enrollment Key: UL508AMTR. He found four separate test sections within the course, each to be completed independently.
Anthony406 mentioned not seeing an option to take the test in parts. The exam's guidelines require it to be completed in one 4-hour sitting, with the timer continuing to run between sections. There is no opportunity to pause for a break. However, if you registered before the new 4-part format was implemented, you can still opt to take the old 80-question format. I personally had this option available, along with a notice providing a link to switch to the new test format if desired.
User ndzied1 shared their experience of accessing the dashboard on www.UL.com/lms and entering the Enrollment Key UL508AMTR to access a course with 4 test sections. Each section was a standalone test. Last week, ndzied1 completed the test in 4 parts using the key received via email.
I contacted UL customer service to address my issue with accessing the four distinct sections of their platform, and they promptly resolved a setting on their end. Thanks to their quick response, I can now easily navigate the four separate parts. Sitting through all four hours at once without a break was quite challenging.
A commenter expressed frustration over UL's high testing fees, deeming it a money-making scheme. The $350 cost for a computer-graded test was deemed unreasonable, with competitors offering lower prices and better service. Share your thoughts on this issue in light of potential inflation in 2024, tensions with Iran, and a looming market correction. Let's discuss the implications.
- 14-10-2024
- Steve_harvey_oswald